I Support C-484, do you?
I am a liberal because social justice is extremely important to have in a country great as Canada. Unfortunately there hasn’t been any legislation proposed by a sitting Liberal MP that advocates for the strengthening of social justice. Indeed there have been bills introduced to uphold human rights and equality throughout our beloved country by Liberal MPs since the beginning of the 39th Parliament. These are just specks of the looking glass to form a socially accountable state.
Today I’m discussing the importance of Bill C-484: An Act to Amend the Criminal Code (Injuring or Causing the Death of An Unborn Child While Committing An Offence). I don’t know why my fellow pro-choicers are crazed on the idea that this comes into conflict with the woman’s right to choose. This is not an anti-abortion bill in any shape or form. People will only be charged under this amendment of the Criminal Code if they murder or cause bodily harm to the mother without her choice.
Join me in supporting C-484 today.
March 20th, 2008 at 12:24 am
I suggest you compare C-484 with with the current criminal code in Canada. For my analysis of why the bill does open the door to making abortions illegal you can go here: http://thescottross.blogspot.com/2008/03/against-c-484-conservatives-believe.html.
Basically C-484 takes science out of the equation. A “baby” is a baby, as long as the woman is pregnant under C-484, yet science regards that there is no person in the womb until around the third trimester.
-scott
March 20th, 2008 at 5:24 am
“People will only be charged under this amendment of the Criminal Code if they murder or cause bodily harm to the mother without her choice.”
As opposed to all those women asking for it, I suppose.
So glad you are on our side.
March 20th, 2008 at 6:50 am
Its not even April 1st yet.
Bring it on Tories? Heh. Ya, and you will fall for it.
March 20th, 2008 at 7:52 am
Sigh. Fine I’ll bite. Defining a fetus as an unborn child is the first step towards making aborting an ‘unborn child’ as murder. But you already knew that, didn’t you?
March 20th, 2008 at 9:45 am
Good for you. I totally agree.
It protects a woman’s right to give birth if she so chooses.
March 20th, 2008 at 11:02 am
This is a highly cynical bill, which is meant to be a trojan horse in the abortion debate. The point is to get parliament to agree with the idea that harm to the fetus is a crime unto itself.
March 20th, 2008 at 9:17 pm
Hmmm. Just one little teensy thing to add?
This bill would hand shorter sentences to those who harm pregnant women than they get now.
Besides opening up charter challenges and basically being ineffectual.
Oh, and may as well add this little goody too….Men who beat their pregnant wives and harm the fetus will more than likely walk. See, the language in that there Backdoor bill also says that women “provoke” men into beating the crap out of them….Sorta like Rape victims who “ask for it”
Nice to see that You are on those there Tories tho. Go git em!
March 20th, 2008 at 9:18 pm
No. No I do NOT support this stealth attempt to recriminalize abortion. Not only will it open the door to legislating against legal abortion, it doesn’t do one. single. thing. to protect pregnant women from violence. Nada, zilch, zip. If C-484 were passed, pregnant women will still be assaulted and murdered, and because of concurrent sentencing, the assailant will NOT do more time.
Please try to see this farce for what it is - the disingenuous manipulation of grief and fear to eventually recriminalize abortion. If the fact that I can see that and you can’t makes me “crazed”, then so be it.
And what’s this “murder or cause harm to the mother without her choice”? Did you seriously write that?
March 20th, 2008 at 11:28 pm
er …what’s so bad about harm to a fetus being illegal?
March 28th, 2008 at 5:52 pm
Tim, there’s nothing wrong with making it illegal to harm a foetus against a woman’s will (in fact, that is already a crime - causing involuntary miscarriage). What C-484 wants to do is make it illegal to harm a “child.” That would reclassify a foetus as a child, and anyone who can’t see how that opens the door to criminalizing abortion is a liar or an idiot.
It can’t be by law a baby in one case and a foetus in another.
Secondly, the crime should be an additional crime against the woman, not a crime against a “child” or foetus. That gives independent status and rights to the foetus, again more than an argument to criminalize abortion - an actual wedge.
This is a dishonest Bill. A big lie. If Epp really wants to protect women from involuntary miscarriage, he could easily have worded his Bill by making this an additional crime against the woman, and don’t call a foetus a child.
Seriously, anth zone, think this through. This is an anti-choice pre-bill.